Ordnance Factory, Kanpur (OFC), Government of India, Ministry of Defence, Indian Ordnance Factories (IOF), Uttar Pradesh Recruit Employment for the Group 'C' Post of Durwan Job Vacancies - April 2011

Ordnance Factory, Kalpi Road, Kanpur (OFC), PIN-208009, Uttar Pradesh, Government of India, Ministry of Defence invites job vacancy applications from eligible candidates for the employment Group 'C' post of Durwan.

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Durwan (4 Posts UR-2,OBC-2)

Pay Scale: Rs.5200-20200/- + Grade Pay Rs.1800/-

Qualification: Matriculation or equivalent pass

Age Limit: 20-27 Years, Age relaxation for respective categories shall be as per rules.

Selection Procedures:

Physical Standards: Must be Physically Fit for the duties of Durwan

1. Height without shoes: 165 cms

2. Chest: Unexpanded-77cms, Expansion-82cms

3. Weight: 45 kgs minimum

Desirable:

1. Ex-Servicemen

2. Three years service as Home Guard / Civil Defence volunteer

3. Training in at least basic and re-fresher courses in Home Guard / Civil Defence.

Screening Test: Running of 100 metres in 15 seconds

Written Test Syllabus: Objective Type (2 Hrs)

1. General Intelligence

2. General Awareness

3. English Language

4. Numerical Aptitude

Application Fee: Rs.50/- Indian Postal Order drawn favour of The General Manager, Ordnance Factory, Kalpi Road, Kanpur (OFC), PIN-208009, Uttar Pradesh.

How to Apply:

1.Applications are invited on A-4 size plain paper duly typed on neatly handwritten.

2.Attested photocopies of mark sheets / certificates of educational & technical qualification, caste certificate & physically handicapped certificate, proof of age, proof regarding experience in the relevant field and other testimonials if any.

3.The self addressed 25cm x 10cm size with Rs.5/- postage stamp affixed envelope containing the application must be superscribed as Application for the Post of ....... (Name of the post applied and Category)

Photographs:

1. One Photo should be pasted in application with Duly signed

2. Two Photo copies Stapled with the application.

Applications Addressed to:

The Sr.General Manager,

Ordnance Factory Kanpur (OFC),

Kalpi Roda,

Kanpur,

PIN - 208009,

Uttar Pradesh, India.

Last Date: 30.04.2011

Note:

1.Screening test only for those who qualify in the measurement of Physical Standards.

2.Written test only for those who possess prescribed Physical standards and also qualify in the Screening test.

3.Copies of certificate pertaining to Academic & Professional qualification, Date of Birth and Cast certificate duly attested by a Gazetted Officer must be enclosed with the application.

4.Ordnance Factory Kanpur will not be responsible for any postal delay.

5.Ordnance Factory Kanpur also warned candidates to avoid any unscrupulous elements who may assure appointment in OFC by seeking bribe in cash or in kind or any other inducement, and are advised not to fall in their trap.

For Application Format and more details visit:www.davp.nic.in

Government of India, Ministry of Defence, Director General of Quality Assurance (DGQA), (SQAE) Senior Quality Assurance Establishment (Metals), Muradnagar, Ghaziabad District, (U.P.), PIN-201206 Recruit for the Employment Group 'C' Post of Turner Skilled Job Vacancy - April 2011

Job Vacancies in (DGQA) Director General of Quality Assurance, (SQAE) Senior Quality Assurance Establishment (Metals), Ministry of Defence, Government of India, Muradnagar, Ghaziabad District, (U.P.), PIN-201206 invites applications from eligible candidates for the employment Group 'C' Post of Turner Skilled.

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Turner Skilled (1 Post SC-1)

Pay Scale: PB-I Rs.5200-20200/- + Grade Pay Rs.1900/-

Age Limit: Upto 37 Years, Age relaxation for respective categories shall be as per rules.

Qualification:

1. Matriculation and Equivalent

2. Industrial Training Institute certificate in Turner trade or tis equivalent or its equivalent or its equuivalent Defence services Tradesman Course approved by the Central or State Governments.

3. One year's experience in the trade.

Probation: Two Years.

Place of Work: Muradnagar (U.P.) with AISL

How to Apply:

1. Applications duly typed in A4 paper neatly hand written in the prescribed format.

2. Applications submitted with attested copies of the relevant certificates, Educational Qualification, Proof of Date of Birth, Sports Certificates, Caste Certificate, Mark Sheet.

3. Candidates should be superscribed the name of the post with category on the TOP of the envelope of size 30 x 12cm with postal stamp or Rs.5/- affixed.

4. Candidates are instructed to enclose 3 recent passport size photographs out of which one duly affixed on the application form and attested by a Gazetted Officer.

5. However, Selected candidates will be liable to Serve anywhere in India.

Selection Procedures:

1. The selection of candidates will be based on merit list drawn on the basis of Written Test,Trade Test, Interview and Medical fitness.

2. The venue of the Written Test / Interview, Date and Time shall be intimated later.

Application Addressed to:

(SQAE) Senior Quality Assurance Establishment (Metal),

Muradnagar, Ghaziabad District (UP),

PIN: 201206.

Last Date: 30.04.2011

Note:

1. Candidates are required to submit a self addressed envelope of size 30cms X 12cms with Rs.5/- postage stamp affixed on it along with the application.

2. Photographs must be pasted on the application, hall ticket and must be duly attested by a Gazetted Officer.

3. The prescribed essential qualifications are the minimum and the mere possession of the same does not entitle candidates to be called for test / interview.

4. The incumbent on recruitment will be on probation for 2 years

5. Selected candidates will be liable to serve anywhere in India.

6. The experience certificates must contain period with dates, name of the post held, Salary drawn and nature of work done.

7. Duly completed, signed admitted card in duplicate shall also be enclosed with the appliation forms.

For Application Format and more details: www.davp.nic.in

Department of Atomic Energy (DAE), Indira Gandhi Centre for Atomic Research (IGCAR), Kalpakkam Recruit for the Post of Driver (Ordinary Grade) - April 2011

Government of India, Department of Atomic Energy (DAE), Indira Gandhi Centre for Atomic Research (IGCAR), Kalpakkam-603102 invites applications from eligible candidates for the post of Driver (Ordinary Grade). Advertisement No.2/2011.

Driver-Ordinary Grade (2 Posts OBC-1,UR-1)

Pay Scale: Rs.5200–20200/- + Grade Pay Rs.1900/-

Qualification: Must have passed X Standard (SSC or equivalent) and must hold a clean and valid Driving License to drive Heavy Vehicle

Experience: 3 years experience on driving Light Vehicle/Heavy Vehicle.

Essential: Ability to read and fill up routine forms in English/Hindi desirable. Must be able to attend to minor repairs of Petrol and Diesel driven vehicles such as the following:

a) General day-to-day maintenance of the vehicle.

b) Tyre, battery maintenance and lubrication of vehicle.

c) Accelerator, brake, clutch pedal and fan belt adjustments.

d) Removal of air lock and oil block.

e) Engine tune up, brake adjustments, wheel alignment and observation of dash board meters.

Age Limits: 18-30 Years as on 01.01.2011, Age relaxation for respective categories shall be as per rules.

Selection process: Eligible candidates will be issued with call letters to appear for Driving test. The candidates who qualifies in the driving test will be called for personal interview.

Travelling Allowance: SC/ST candidates called for written test/interview which will be held in Chennai /Kalpakkam will be paid Travelling Allowance as per rules.

How to apply:

1. Application should be submitted in the prescribed proforma.

2. The Application and the outer cover should be superscribed as “Application for the post of DRIVER” against Advertisement No. 2/2011.”

3. Candidate must fill the application forms in CAPITAL LETTERS in his/her own handwriting in English and should use as far as possible only international form of Indian numerals.

4. Photograph: A recent passport size photograph should be affixed on the right hand top corner of the application and one photograph should be pasted on the admit card.

5. Copies of Certificates: Candidates should submit along with their application attested SINGLE COPY of certificates.

a) Copy of Transfer certificate from School (original should be submitted at the time of interview)

b) Educational qualifications/experience and technical qualifications (supported by appropriate mark sheets indicating the subjects offered at the examinations.

c) Copy of valid driving license.

d) Date of Birth /Proof of age.

e) SC/ST/OBC certificates in the prescribed proforma.

f) Proof of the effect that they have been affected by 1984 riots.

g) Certificate regarding domiciled in Kashmir Division from 01.01.1980 to 31.12.1989

Application Addressed to:

Administrative Officer-II (R),

Indira Gandhi Centre for Atomic Research (IGCAR),

Kalpakkam - 603 102

Last Date: 29.04.2011

Note:

1. Graduates need not apply. (Graduates would be treated as overqualified, but XII Standard would be acceptable)

2. Screened in list of candidates will be displayed in our website http://www.igcar.gov.in. Screened in Candidates those who have not received call letters due to postal delay, if any may bring a print out of the list displayed in the website with their valid Identity Proof on the date of written test / interview.

3. Candidates already working in Government / Semi-Govt / Public Sector Undertaking must forward their application through proper channel only.

3. Candidates should write legibly the post applied on top of the envelope.

4. Department will not be responsible for postal delays.

For Application Format and more details visit: www.igcar.ernet.in

Indira Gandhi Centre for Atomic Research (IGCAR), Department of Atomic Energy (DAE), Kalpakkam Recruit for the Post Junior Research Fellow (JRF) Job Vacancies - April 2011

Government of India, Department of Atomic Energy (DAE), Indira Gandhi Centre for Atomic Research (IGCAR), Kalpakkam invites applications from eligible candidates for the post of Junior Research Fellow (JRF), ADVERTISEMENT NO. 3/2011.

1. Junior Research Fellow-JRF ( 30 Indicative)

Areas of Research Projects:

1.Chemistry: Chemical thermodynamics, Solid state and high temperature chemistry, Electrochemistry, Spectroscopy and laser, Radiochemistry, Advanced separation techniques, Actinide Chemistry, Trace and ultra trace analytical techniques and Chemical sensors

2.Physics/Materials Science: Solid State Phase transformations, Superconductivity, Structure and dynamics of soft condensed matter, Band structure studies, Accelerators based Irradiation induced phenomena, Low-dimensional systems, Physics of interfaces, Nano-materials, Thin films technology and Theoretical physics

3.Metallurgy/Materials Technology: Solid State Phase transformations, Materials development and characterization, Phase equilibria, Creep, Fatigue, Texture and Fracture studies, Microstructural, surface modification and characterization studies, Corrosion and Interface phenomenon.

4.Engineering Sciences: Robotics and Development of Intelligent machines, Thermal Hydraulics and Structural Mechanics, Design of critical components, Nanotechnology, Modeling studies, Post-accident Safety Analysis, Wireless networking, Parallel computing, Embedded and Simulator systems, Non-destructive Evaluation and Reliability, Chemical Process Design and Modeling

5.Meteorology/Atmospheric Sciences: Atmospheric Dispersion Modeling and Cyclone and Storm Surge Modeling

Age Limit: Less than 28 Years as on 01.07.2011

Qualification:

1.Category-A - M.Sc.

2.Category-B - B.E./B.Tech../ B.Sc. Engineering/ B.Sc. [Tech.]

3.Category-C - M.Sc. / B.E. / B.Tech. / B.Sc. Engineering / B.Sc.[Tech])

Selection Procedure: Suitable candidates will be selected based on Written Test and Interview.

Fellowship and Tenure: Rs.16000/- for the First two years and Rs.18000/- + for the Third year onwards.

How to Apply:

1.The Application Form and Hall Ticket Form can also be downloaded from the IGCAR website www.igcar.gov.in

2.Send the completed Application Form and Hall Ticket Form printed out on A4 size sheets along with the required enclosures by Post (Registered or speed post of Indian Postal service)

3.Superscribe the envelope: “JRF, Advt. No. 03/2011” & also the discipline clearly (as given in 2-Qualifying Degrees)

Important Check List: Attested copies of the following certificates must accompany the application form without which the application is liable to be rejected.

1. Proof of date of birth

2. Caste certificate, if applicable

3. DEGREE certificates and

4. Mark lists of B.Sc, M.Sc or B.E. / B.Tech., M.E./M.Tech, B.Sc. Engg. / B.Sc[Tech].

5. Consolidated mark sheets and calculation for aggregate marks of the qualifying exams to be attached.

6. Candidates under Category –C to provide the mark sheets of all previous years/ semesters

7. Sheet giving details of conversion from letter-grades / GPA / CGPA to percentage marks, where applicable

8. UGC-CSIR NET Fellowship certificate, JEST-2011 score sheet, GATE score sheet where applicable.

Calendar For Important Tasks:

Last date for receipt of applications : 30 April 2011

Written Test : 18 June 2011 Tentative

Interview : 19 June 2011 Tentative

Likely Date of Joining : Mid July 2011

Application Addressed to:

The Administrative Officer–II (Recruitment),

Indira Gandhi Centre for Atomic Research,

Kalpakkam–603102,

District. Kancheepuram,

Tamil Nadu.

Last Date: 30.04.2011

Note:

1.Candidates with M.E and M.Tech degrees can also apply, however they should have secured 60% and above in the qualifying degree

2.Candidates are advised to visit the website http://www.igcar.gov.in/ periodically for further information and updates in this regard.

For Application Format and more details visit: www.igcar.ernet.in

RECRUITMENT TO THE POST OF LDC, DRAUGHTSMAN AND CANTEEN BEARER IN DIRECTORATE GENERAL QUALITY ASSURANCE

CONTROLLERATE OF QUALITY ASSURANCE (SPECIAL VEHICLES)
DEHU ROAD, PUNE-412 101
MAHARASHTRA

Application are invited for the following Post in the prescribed format (As per
Enclosure) from Indian Citizen

S.NO	Name of Post	Post Reserved for	No. of Post	Pay Band & Grade Pay	Place of Work
1	LOWER DIVISION C L E R K  Group 'C” NON GAZETTED (MINISTRIAL POST)	OBC	02	5200-20200 Grade Pay-1900	DEHU R O A D  PUNE
2	DRAUGHTS MAN  Group 'C” NON  GAZETTED (NON MINISTRIAL POST)	Genera	01	5200-20200 Grade Pay-2400	DEHU R O A D  PUNE
3	CANTEEN BEARER Group 'C” NON GAZETTED (MINISTRIAL POST)	OBC	01	5200-20200 Grade Pay-1800	DEHU ROAD PUNE

Note:
1)  The incumbent on recruitment will be on Probation for 02 Years
2)  Place of work is Dehu Road, Pune (However selected Candidate will be
liable to serve anywhere in India)

Eligibility Conditions

AGE  18-27 years (Age Relaxation is applicable to Government Servant, PH  &
Ex-Servicemen as per Extant Govt order issued from time to time.  Crucial
Date for determining Age limit shall be closing date for receipt of Application)

Essential :-  10+2 or equivalent with a minimum Speed of 30 Words Per Minute in
English Typewriting or 25 words Per Minute in Hindi Typewriting
Desirable:-  Basic Knowledge in Computers.

DRAUGHTS MAN GRADE

Essential :-  a) Matriculation or equivalent  (10th Class Pass) from recoginised
Board/University
b) Certificate Course or Diploma in Draughtmanship not less than 02 years  (including Six Month Practical Training) from a recoginised  Industrial Training Institute or

Desirable:-    a) One year experience as Draughtman in a Central Govt Deptt or
Stature Organization undertaking
b) Certificate Course in Automated Computer Aided Design (Auto CAD)
or equivalent and having essential knowledge of creating drawings
using Computer and its peripherals.

CANTEEN BEARER  Essential :- Matriculation Passed with Six Months experience
in the  trade

HOW  TO  APPLY:-    Eligible  candidates  who  are  fulfilling  above  mentioned
qualification/criteria may apply on a plain paper duly typed or neatly hand written in the
prescribed format given as per enclosure to Controller CQA(SV) Dehu Road Pune -
412101

LAST DATE
Application must  reach by 18 Apr 2011. Application  received after due date shall not
be entertained.
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Department of Defence Production (DDP), (DGQA) Directorate General of Quality Assurance, (CQA) Controllerate of Quality Assurance (Engg Eqpt), Aundh Camp, PUne, PIN-411027 Recruit for the Group 'C' Posts of LDC, Draughtsman-III, Chowkidar and Labourer (Semi Skilled) - April 2011

   Job Vacancy in (DDP) Department of Defence Production, (DGQA) Directorate General of Quality Assurance, (CQA) Controllerate of Quality Assurance (Engg Eqpt), , Government of India, Ministry of Defence, Aundh Camp, PUne, PIN-411027 invites the applications from eligible candidates for the employment Group 'C' Posts of LDC, Draughtsman-III, Chowkidar and Labourer (Semi Skilled). 

1. LDC (2 Posts OBC-2)

Pay Scale: Rs.5200-20200/- + Grade Pay Rs.1900/-

Age Limit: 18 to 27 years, Age relaxation for respective categories shall be as per rules.

Qualification: +12th Class Passed or equivalent qualification from any recognised Board or University.

Essential:
1. Minimum Typing speed of 30 words per minute in English or 25 words per minute in Hindi on manual typewriter.
2. Typing speed of 35 words per minute in English or 30 words per minute in Hindi on Computer.

Desirable: Basic knowledge in Computer

Note: Out of 2 OBC vacancies of LDC, 1 vacancy is earmarked for sportsman quota and will be filled by meritorious sports persons.


2. Draughtsman-III (1 Post OBC-1)

Pay Scale: Rs.5200-20200/- + Grade Pay Rs.2400/-

Age Limit: 18 to 27 years, Age relaxation for respective categories shall be as per rules.

Qualification:
1.Matriculation or equivalent (10th Class pass) or equivalent qualification from any recognised Board or University.
2.Certificate Course or Diploma in Draughtsmanship of the a duration not less than 2 years (Including 6 months practical training).

Essential:
1. One year experience as Draughtsman in a Central Govt Department or Statutory Organisation or Undertaking.
2. Certificate course in Automated Computer Aided Design (AUTOCAD) or equivalent and having essential knowledge of creating drawings using computer and its peripherals.

Note: The qualification regarding experience is relaxable for SC/ST.


3. Chowkidar (1 Post UR-1)

Pay Scale: Rs.5200-20200/- + Grade Pay Rs.1800/-

Age Limit: 18 to 27 years, Age relaxation for respective categories shall be as per rules.

Qualification: Minimum 10th Pass (Matriculation) or ITI or equivalent, Proficiency in security duty, Ex-Servicemen or retired Policeman preferred.

Desirable: Training in Basic & Refresher course in Home Guards / Civil Defence


4. Labour - Semi Skilled (1 Post UR-1)

Pay Scale: Rs.5200-20200/- + Grade Pay Rs.1800/-

Qualification:
1. 10th Pass (Matriculation) or ITI or equivalent

2. Industrial Training Institute Certificate in any trade or its equivalent Defence Services Tradesman Course approved by the Central or State Governments.

Age Limit: 18 to 37 years

Place of Work:

1. The Controller, Controllerate of Quality Assurance (Engg Eqpt) Aundh Camp, Pune-411027 (For the post of LDC, Chowkidar & Labour-SS)

2. The SQAO, Senior Quality Assurance Estt (EE), LBS Marg, Vikhroli, Mumbai-400083 (For the post of Draughtsman-III)

Selection Procedure: The selection of candidates will be based on written examination / interviews and medical fitness.

How to Apply:

1.Applications duly typed in A-4 paper and neatly handwritten in block letters in the prescribed format only.

2.Applications along with two self attested photographs and the attested photocopies of all the relevant documents.

3.Attested photocopies of mark sheets / certificates of educational & technical qualification, caste certificate & physically handicapped certificate, proof of age, proof regarding experience in the relevant field and other testimonials if any.

4.The self addressed 25cm x 10cm size with Rs.5/- postage stamp affixed envelope containing the application must be superscribed as Application for the Post of ....... (Name of the post applied and Category)

Application Addressed to:


The Controller,
Directorate General of Quality Assurance (DGQA),
Controllerate of Quality Assurance-Engg Eqpt. (CQA),
Aundh Camp, PUne,
PIN - 411027.

Last Date: 30.04.2011

Note: Date, Venue and Time of the interview shall be intimated later.


For Application Format visit here:- www.davp.nic.in

Department of Defence Production (DDP),(SQAE) Senior Quality Assurance Establishment (Armts), Armapore Post, Kanpur (UP) Recruit Employment for the Group 'C' Post of Lower Division Clerk (LDC) - April 2011

  (DDP) Department of Defence Production, (SQAE) Senior Quality Assurance Establishment (Armaments), Ministry of Defence, Government of India, Armapore Post, Kanpur (UP), PIN–208009 invites applications from eligible candidates for the Group 'C' post of Lower Division Clerk (LDC)

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Lower Division Clerk (1 Post Genl-1)

Pay Scale: Rs.5200-20200/- + Grade Pay Rs.1900/-

Age Limit: 18 to 27 years, Age relaxation for respective categories shall be as per rules.

Qualification: +12th Class Passed or equivalent qualification from any recognised Board or University.

Essential:

1. Minimum Typing speed of 30 words per minute in English or 25 words per minute in Hindi on manual typewriter.

2. Typing speed of 35 words per minute in English or 30 words per minute in Hindi on Computer.

Desirable: Basic knowledge in Computer

Probation Period: Two Years

Place of Work: (SQAE) Senior Quality Assurance Establishment (Armaments), Armapore Post, Kanpur–208009 (UP).

Selection Procedure: The selection of candidates will be based on written examination / interviews, medical fitness and character verification.

How to Apply:

1.Applications duly typed in A-4 paper and neatly handwritten in block letters in the prescribed format only.

2.Applications along with two self attested photographs and the attested photocopies of all the relevant documents.

3.Attested photocopies of mark sheets / certificates of educational & technical qualification, caste certificate & physically handicapped certificate, proof of age, proof regarding experience in the relevant field and other testimonials if any.

4.The self addressed 25cm x 10cm size with Rs.5/- postage stamp affixed envelope containing the application must be superscribed as Application for the Post of ....... (Name of the post applied and Category)

Application Addressed to:
(SQAE) Senior Quality Assurance Establishment (Armaments)
Armapore Post, Kanpur (UP),
PIN–208009.

Last Date: 30.04.2011

Note: Date, Venue and Time of the interview shall be intimated later.


For Application Format visit here:-www.davp.nic.in

PNB SWO Recruitment Notice Punjab National Bank Clerk Recruitment

   Punjab National Bank PNB SWO recruitment Notice (PNB) 2011

   The Punjab National Bank requires SWO (Single window operator ) for various branches in India. PNB Invites application for deserving indian candidates for recruitment of 6428 SWO Clerks. The details are available at their official website. The main body of this PNB SWO Recruitment notice is given below:

Details of Punjab National Bank Recruitment 2011

Name of Post: Single Window Operator A (Clerk)

No. of Vacancies: 6428 posts (in various states)
Pay Scale: Rs.7200-14500/-
Age Limit: 18-28 years
Important Dates of PNB Recruitment notice 2011 :

Opening date for online registration : 11/04/2011
Last date for online registration : 03/05/2011
Complete Information of PNB SWO Recruitment at: Advertisement at www.pnbindia.in

(A Government of India Undertaking)

Head Office: 7,
Bhikaiji Cama Place,
New Delhi-110066

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